The other day it occurred to me that rather than referring to thoughts and mental states as something that we have or that are predicates of our mind, it would be better to think of them by analogy to metereology or weather events and patterns. If the brain is, as Metzinger elegantly argues (though I’m not sure why he believes this is contrary to the concept of substance), or units are, as Bogost argues, a set of operations, then it seems that we should think about mental states as not being properties or states, but rather as processes. The problem with saying, for example, that “I am depressed” is that it gives the impression that depression is a sort of fixed property of the brain, rather than a process or activity on the part of the brain. Just as we might say “the ball is red”, treating red as a fixed quality of the ball rather than an event that occurs to the ball, we treat depression as something that we just are. Far better, I think, to compare or analogize depression to a storm or a hurricane that takes place as an unfolding process. As the hurricane travels across the waters of the ocean it becomes more and more powerful from the heat of the water and increases in humidity, becoming an organized system that takes on a life and substantiality of its own. Likewise with depression. It begins as a tiny swirl within the brain, a mere murmur, a “tropical depression” (pardon the pun), but through a confluence of events in both life and drawing on other mental events (not unlike drawing on the heat of the water) becomes stronger and stronger, more and more pervasive, until it overshadows everything else. Were we to think of thoughts, affects, mental states, etc., as being akin to metereological events how might this change the way we pose questions about cognition, mental “disorders”, and the sort of practice we adopt in the clinic. I’m not sure.
September 29, 2010
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September 30, 2010 at 3:20 am
levi,
What about: I’m FEELING depressed or I’m FEELING much better now. FEELING would connote a process. Ain’t it?
September 30, 2010 at 6:44 am
Hi Levi,
I am an avid reader of your blog and enjoy your thoughts and work immensely. Just had to comment on this as I agree wholeheartedly.
I have often wondered about the term ‘property’ and why not call it an association instead. To me it seems ‘red’ is in the eye of the beholder not in the thing. Density is an association relative to the observer. There is no absolute density as in a threshold reached but rather I find a wall more dense than the fog. They are not fixed which is what comes to mind when one evokes ‘property’.
Similarly, mental states are not fixed, but, fluid. When I declare “I am depressed”, it is as if I were throwing out an anchor to hold myself in a fixed state I can identify with. One could say, “I am currently experiencing depression” and it reminds one of it’s transience rather than it’s seeming fixity.
All in all I think this discussion could go much deeper in that it seems to me that we observe thoughts more than we direct them. I would almost be tempted to describe it as I can perturb the process of thought to try and get it on task rather than just meander reactively to stimuli in the environment. Focus or direction seems an acquired skill, a discipline – not an given ability.
Well, this isn’t very well formed as a response to your post but I hope the gist is somewhat clear.
Thanks for your blog, looking forward to all your posts.
September 30, 2010 at 1:28 pm
Levi,
It sounds like you are talking about a dynamic systems approach to mental states. Check out Evan Thompson’s recent book “Mind in Life”. I think you would dig it.
October 1, 2010 at 3:54 am
I like Derek Parfit’s formulation: “anger has arisen here.” Your description of depression is spot on (as an occasional suffer of quite bad depression). The idea of moods as weather feels right, even from a sort of standard, everyday language point of view.
October 2, 2010 at 2:44 pm
Yep, this is dynamic systems theory. Check out this rather fine piece on Husserl and DST by Tim Van Gelder
http://ejap.louisiana.edu/EJAP/1996.spring/vangelder.1996.spring.html
October 4, 2010 at 4:00 pm
Yup. And, once again, my man is a good way to think about this stuff. Time and Free Will will do the trick.
Thanks again for all that you contribute through this blog; it has been a needed boost for me on several occasions.
by the way, I’m still waiting for a reply to my question on part 2 of your OOO manifesto! ;)
cheers,
BoB