Over at Perverse Egalitarianism, a discussion that has been extremely productive and, I think, valuable, has taken a turn for the worse. In response to Mikhail’s entirely fair question about whether or not the realist would banish religious debate from the public sphere, I made, what I believe, to be the entirely obvious observation that among the vast majority of religious folks (and I’m Southern so we’re all “folks” us) are realists where they’re beliefs are concerned. Just as I am a vulgar naturalistic materialist, the religious believer is not a correlationist in their belief, but is committed to the thesis that the claims they make about God, the soul, the afterlife, and spirits are claims about real things, not simply phenomena or appearances. In other words, in the public space we have many competing versions of realism duking it out amongst one another. Yet somehow this rather obvious (I thought) claim got transformed into the thesis that all of these realisms are true or, we might say, the thesis that we should let a thousand realisms bloom.

I think this Rubic’s cube appropriation of my claim reveals something fundamental about the difference between realist and correlationist approaches to thought. Put in the rhetorical frame of a Zizekian mode of speech, I’m led to wonder, who’s really dogmatic here. As a realist I’m committed to the thesis that if something is knowledge, then it is not simply a claim about phenomena as they appear to us but has rather revealed something deep and real about things independent of us that would belong to these things regardless of whether or not humans existed to know them. Where the correlationist is committed to the thesis that these properties can never be said to belong to objects themselves but only objects for us, the realist says no, these things are in the objects themselves. That is the ontological thesis. But from the standpoint of epistemology, I think the realist is extremely modest. The realist says we are trying to discover the nature of the real, we’re fairly sure we’ve discovered a few properties of the real, we conclude that there are certain properties belonging to the real based on the best available evidence, but we also recognize that subsequent discoveries might entirely overturn these conclusions. In addition to that, the realist, of whatever stripe, recognizes that they are obligated to duke it out in the public space, providing reasons and arguments for their position, and that their reasons might ultimately fail to persuade or be based on faulty evidence.

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Thus, for example, when my very good friend Jerry said that we do not yet have an explanation of phantom limbs, I attempted to provide a hypothesis as to how our brain neurology might explain the existence of phantom limbs. I pointed out that while an amputated arm no longer has nerve cells to sense pain, we do not amputate networks of neurons in the brain that presided over the functioning of that limb and that whenever we use the remainder of, say, our arm, these networks of neurons are activated producing effects of pain in our mental map of where the remainder of what our arm was (from what I understand hands have been grafted on to patients that lost their hands and their phantom pains subsequently disappeared, indicating that damage to nerve endings, including the absence of nerve endings, produce pain responses in our neural maps of our body). This is a hypothetical explanation that can subsequently be overturned. Moreover, it is a hypothetical explanation that respects his criticism, the reality of his observation, and seeks to address it. If I, as a vulgar materialist naturalist, strive to explain a phenomenon like phantom limbs in neurological terms, then this is because I possess the conviction that the naturalistic explanation of mental states is the best hypothesis we have available to date by virtue of what it is so far able to explain. In the absence of compelling observations to the contrary, I thus see no reason to relinquish this hypothesis. As they say, the “Lion’s Share” of evidence stands in the naturalist’s court.

If I have a problem with the correlationist position, then this is because, in addition to other reasons, I see it as an essentially dogmatic position. As I have argued in the past, the correlationist desires to “know before they know”. By this I have meant that the correlationist attempts to draw an a priori limit to what we can know, deciding in advance what is dogmatic and what is critical. In practice, I believe this leads to truly dogmatic conclusions. Because the correlationist has rejected our ability to know the referent or the “thing-in-itself”, they are therefore able to say, in advance, that any findings of empirical science are “dogmatic” or “naively” realist. As a result, in practice, they are able to ignore these findings a priori, because, you see, the correlationist already knows and nothing could possibly contradict the findings of the immediate givens of their self-consciousness. They know before they know and as a result become know-nothings, because you see, for the correlationist, they have a “superior” knowledge of conditions, that enables the rejection of anything empirical.

For the realist, by contrast, the real is, to adopt, yet again, a Zizekian term, a sort of vanishing mediator. The real is something that we’re pursuing, that we’re trying to know, but that we recognize as being extremely slippery. As Lacan would say, we grasp the real by bits and pieces. All the realist asks is that we go with the best available evidence and the most likely hypothesis based on that evidence. Indeed, following Badiou, the realist absolutely loathes the Platonic idea of banishing the sophist or the skeptic, because he benefits so much from the critical reflection of the skeptic or sophist on his hypotheses. These claims are a constant spur to the realists inquiries into the world. Thus, just as the True Believer ™ seems to absolutely adore the atheist, the vulgar materialist-naturalist-realist adores the critiques of the skeptic believer. The correlationist, by contrast, finds no point in such debate as he’s already concluded the intrinsic limit to knowledge.

My friend Mikhail, says to me, that the realist is unable to account for things like justice and utopian ideals for peace. This leaves me scratching my head as to what Mikhail understands by naturalism or materialism. Certainly Mikhail recognizes that if the naturalist is right, it is nonetheless biological vehicles such as ourselves that conceived things such as justice, the good, and universal peace. It was our brains that, according to the naturalist, created these values. All that the naturalist requires is that we give explanations of these normative criteria consistent with the naturalistic hypothesis. The naturalist certainly doesn’t deny that we have thought these normative criteria and that they have a profound influence on how we act in the world. And as my Slavic friend Mikhail once said to me, wishing does not make it so. Perhaps we wish that we could separate these things entirely from our embodiment in these, as I put it once to my dear Slav Melanie, “sacks of flesh”, but if it’s the case that we are sacks of flesh then we require an account consistent with that fact. The realist is more than happy to concede that this might not be a fact, but merely asks for good, well grounded observations to demonstrate this point, not rational hypotheses based on what they believe is required by a disembodied reason for this to be the case. The naturalistic standpoint might require us to give up the thesis that the “ought” cannot be derived from the “is”. Yet if the correlationist is to make the argument that the “ought” cannot be derived from the “is”, they will require something more than the dualistic argument that the concept of normativity requires it. My concept of a just society requires that everyone is taken care of and that we have equality, yet that doesn’t make it so. At any rate, at least the realist recognizes that these are matters of debate and observation, rather than issues foreclosed a priori.