[Update: The title of this post has been changed because apparently the term “value” attracts every spam outlet under the sun, leading to a few hundred links to bargain sites. Yikes!]
Over at Hyper Tiling Fabio has an excellent post up relating his impressions of Dundee. I confess that I’m extremely sad that I was unable to attend the conference. So it goes. A couple of remark in Fabio’s post caught my eye. Fabio writes:
Objects – this term, of course, has been powerfully (and almost single-handedly) thrown back into philosophical language by the work of Graham Harman and its creative synthesis of Latour/Husserl/Heidegger that goes under the name of –precisely– object-oriented Philosophy. I confess to have mixed feelings about Harman’s project, for if I (like many others) have been seduced by his —rhetorically vibrant— exhortations regarding the need for philosophy to break out of its correlationist constraints (the well known ‘fire-cotton’ rhetoric), and by his vigorous and fresh way of philosophizing, I remain (shame on me!) a relationist at heart, finding Latour’s hybrid actors more seductive entities than Harman’s vacuum-sealed objects.
I’m interested in hearing Fabio say more as to just what he means when he calls himself a relationist. Nothing about OOO prevents one from speaking about relations and from analyzing relations. What OOO rejects is the thesis that objects are their relations. There is a vast difference between the claim that there are only relations, and the claim that there are objects and the relations objects enter into. The former is ontological relationism, the latter is what OOO claims (at least in my formulation, though I think Harman and I are on the same page here). What OOO rejects is the thesis that all relations are internal relations. It has no problem with external relations.
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In my view– and I draw this argument from Harman –if ontological relationism is right then we might as well throw in the towel because it is impossible to explain how change can occur. In order for change to take place it’s necessary that something be introduced into collectives that isn’t simply a function of relations in that collective. If entities are nothing but their relations then their being is exhausted by their relations and any activity on the part of elements in a collective are simply a function of the collective and reproduce the collective.
Despite the irritation I recently expressed at the return of the category of the subject in recent Continental political theory, Zizek and Badiou both have a point. The reason Badiou is so interested in subtraction and that Zizek is so interested in a Lacanian subject that evades any signifier and the concept of a pure act is that both 1) treat the structure of situations as relational and therefore 2) recognize that change is impossible within situations if we are left with nothing but these relations. The difference between OOO and Badiou and Zizek on these points is that where Badiou and Zizek treat the subject alone as the privileged site detached from the relational structure of situations, whereas OOO works from the premise that all objects are in excess of any relations they enter into and therefore have the power to act at odds to those relational networks. At any rate, relationism, to my thinking, ultimately leads to the impossibility of any change. Without this minimal excess of object over relation it’s impossible to explain change.
Fabio goes on to ask:
One of my main questions (and of others I have had occasion to talk with) regarding OOP is the simple question: ‘what next’? What avenues of evolution can OOP have except from an increasingly refined metaphysics based on middle-sized dry goods? (and, a more cynical critic than I am could add ‘and if the answer is “none” how does this “continental metaphysics” really differ from its analytic cousin, except with respect to its witty and metaphorical language?’).
First, with regard to Fabio’s allusion to “middle-sized goods” I confess that such remarks always irritate me. OOO asserts the existing of objects at all levels of scale from the infinitely small to the extremely large (like galaxies and galactic clusters, etc). Contrary to Fabio’s claim, it does not privilege “middle sized objects”. What it refuses is the thesis that the really small objects are the really real objects and that other objects like rocks, birds, stars, and galaxies are not real. That’s it.
Setting this irritation aside, I think Fabio asks an important question when he asks “what’s next”. Here I’m not sure whether Graham and I are on the same page, but I will say that I think a large part of the value of OOO lies in allowing us to find a way beyond a rut that Continental theory– in particular Continental social and political theory –finds itself in. For the past few decades, Continental social and political theory has found itself dominated almost entirely by the primacy of signifiers, signs, discourses, and texts in explaining social structures. OOO does not discount these actants, but it refuses that gesture that holds that all questions must be posed entirely in those terms. In this way OOO significantly expands the resources of analysis open to social and political theorists, allowing for all sorts of new actants to come in to play in our analyses. My prediction is that not only will this open up all sorts of highly original and new forms of analysis outside of philosophy, but it will open a way beyond certain deadlocks that have haunted contemporary Continental social and political philosophy. It will also allow for the development of new strategies of resistance and change. Bad ontology is doomed to generate bad practice because it will lead us to ask the wrong sorts of questions or encounter insoluble problems where there really aren’t problems. There’s been a lot of bad ontology in the last few decades.
Things get really interesting when Fabio relates Hallward’s questions for OOO. Fabio writes:
I look forward to this, especially after having silently agreed with the pointed critical observations made by Hallward after Harman’s talk: how does the object-oriented metaphysical understanding of withdrawn objects cope with all those properties which an ‘object’ acquires when seen as an integral cog in the capitalist system? Is the ’substance’ of an object really left untouched when —for example— its market value oscillates? In what way is a water bottle an ‘object’ in the same way as a company share is an ‘object’?
I have no idea how Harman might have responded to these questions, but it does not seem to me that OOO has a particularly difficult time responding to these sorts of questions. Here questions of mereology or part-whole relations are of crucial importance. First, it is notable that the proper Marxist answer to this question is no the properties of an object do not change with fluctuations in market value. Recall that Marx distinguishes between value, use-value, and exchange-value. Use-value is dependent on the properties of the object itself. The use-value of an object remain exactly as they were despite changes in the exchange-value of the object. It is perplexing that anyone would suggest otherwise.
However, second, and more importantly, we have to ask what sorts of things values (in the Marxist sense) are. Are values objects or are they properties of objects? And the obvious answer here is that values are not themselves objects, but are rather properties of objects. Value, in the Marxist sense, is one way in which a particular type of object actualizes itself in its properties. But what type of object is this object that actualizes itself in properties such as value? The answer to this question is that value is a property of capitalist societies. In other words, we have the object, capitalist societies, and then properties of this object, value. And as I’ve argued repeatedly in my discussions of attractors and phase spaces, properties of objects are things that continuously oscillate as a function of their own internal structure and the relations they enter into with other objects.
If considerations of mereology are so important here, then this is because it’s vital to recognize both that a capitalist society (or a feudal society, etc) is itself an object, but that it is also composed of other objects that themselves independent objects. Capitalist society, for example, enlists human bodies (which it transforms into workers), technologies, and natural resources to form itself as an object. Yet these elements that enter into the multiple composition of the society are themselves objects that have their own autonomy and independence. As a consequence, ever object struggles with the objects that make it up, attempting to reduce them to what it strives to make them for the sake of reproducing itself in time and space. And if it’s so crucial to always keep the multi-stratified nature of objects before one’s mind, then this is because these sub-multiples belong to a multiple are the site where change can take place in a higher order multiple like a society.
April 1, 2010 at 6:30 am
How would you respond to a “cooling” theory in relationism? This cooling theory would be the idea that relationism actually can account for change, for as long as the universe doesn’t reach its “heat death” state. It acknowledges that relationism inevitably leads to a state where change does not occur, but hypothesizes that the changes we observe occur in the cooling process, in the purely relational levelling out of (intensity) differences.
Is this a possible way out for relationism? Could ooo agree with the theory of an inevitable heat death of the universe?
April 1, 2010 at 7:10 am
It doesn’t seem to me that the leveling out of intensities or disparities is genuine change, but is rather an inevitable result of a relational structure not unlike a Hegelian dialectical unfolding where everything is there already. I’ve seen similar lines of argument from relationists before, where they talk about different relational speeds, different thicknesses of relations, etc. However, it seems to me that when they argue in this way they’re already conceding OOO’s point that there is something other than relation that can’t simply be reduced to relation. Again, I think the crucial issue here is whether one advocates a theory of internal relations (that beings are their relations) or whether one advocates an ontology in which relations are external to their terms. It’s the former position that leads to problems, not the latter. I’ll leave questions of heat death to the physicists.
April 1, 2010 at 7:17 am
Yes, I fully agree!
April 1, 2010 at 9:03 am
You write, “If considerations of mereology are so important here, then this is because it’s vital to recognize both that a capitalist society (or a feudal society, etc) is itself an object, but that it is also composed of other objects that themselves independent objects.”
But what if ‘capitalist society’ isn’t actually an object at all? What if ‘societies’ in general are actually assemblages of objects only – and a ‘loose’ assemblages at that?
That is to say, what if all those objects assembled are still without a coherent ‘internal structure’ other than which humans ‘imagine’ or invent? Does our naming it a society make it so? [Here I’m thinking of Benedict Anderson’s work]
I think not.
There is a nuance to an understanding of how ‘communities’ are imagined between people – reified in language, labeled, discoursed and conceptualized – but are never truly objects as such. What one might call a society, feudal or capitalist or whatever, may actually be open systems interacting with other relatively open systems, forming a tangled mesh of interacting networks, sub-networks, objects, mentalities and flows at different scales – but never actually forming an object per se.
For example, if oil was drilled and sent flowing to us by certain people through pipes from another place – a place where the people do not share our language or our practices or our imaginings, and people embedded in another ecosystem – are those people and their activities and relations a part of the capitalist society? Capitalist ‘society’ certainly depends of these people and their activities but are they an objective part? Or, are these people their own object, their own society?
What if a group of those people fly to New York to watch Cats on Broadway but end up staying there for 30 years, yet retain their language and traditional clothing? And they buy food from a grocer, while practicing their own ways of preparing the food. Do they then become an integrated part of a particular society-object? No they do not. Hybridity and multilayered complexity overflows.
Rather, I think complex interactions between real objects at different scales can only ever be known through a cataloguing and tracking of specific properties. Talking about some supposedly shared ‘objectness’ seems to add nothing to our understanding of real world objects. We need to engage objects in relation to their differing particulars and how such properties are contextually situated (or become eventuated).
For example, we need to know how particular objects (i.e. guns, germs and steel) assemble, interact or coagulate or catalyze politically and historically in order to know what they actually are – their being-in-the-world.
The point is that objects and non-objects have an ontological status that must be understood and engaged in their ‘thickness’ as opposed to their flatness. Objects must be known through their actual properties and relations, and only then within the vast background of all manifest reality.
Another example of why objects must be encountered as particular objects:
Consider a river. Is it an object? A river is H2O flowing through a river bank, temporarily contained by the dirt and rocks (materials) assembled around it. Humans call such flows, happenings and processes a river, but such realities are not an object unto itself, or of-itself. Any ‘objectness’ it might seem to have is reified and categorized by human cognitive-linguistic translation and mistakenly objectified as a thing. But a river is not a real object – it is a conceptual object, a fantasy. [I’m tempted to get into Lacan here but I won’t].
In a similar way, any continuously shifting and interacting and changed mass of hominids and artifacts does not a society make. A ‘society’ is only an object for us – a fantasy, or signifier without a referent. Thus a ‘society’ is a word and a concept, and only real as such. The nuance there is important.
But a ‘society’ is unlike an apple, which is a word and a concept that refers to an actual object. An ‘apple’ is both a conceptual object and an actual object.
And we would never been able to differentiate between those types of objects had we not accepted their idiosyncrasies, their particularity – their contingency.
This is where OOO will have to earn its place among competing intellectualizations. OOO will have to be able to differentiate between all of the material objects (real bodies, bottles of water, machines, etc.), loose assemblages, meshes, flows (of energy, oxygen, information) and imagined objects that animate particular ecologies. And to do so, is going to have to take contingency seriously enough to investigate particular objects with all their idiosyncratic properties.
I think that should OOO theorists attempt to articulate a ‘pure ontology’ without building in to their discourse this high degree of specificity (and I feel Graham does not), then it may never be able to truly understand objects as they actually exist. And may never have any relevance outside a small group of philosophers.
April 1, 2010 at 9:35 am
Levi,
this is a great reply, thanks for that. I really want to give you some answers and clarifications about my own position, but I am somewhat of a slow (and uncertain) thinker so bear with me while I prepare a response to both you and Graham, which I’ll post on the blog.
Mac, same goes for you. I have seen your comment to your post and I’ll try to reply to that as well.
April 1, 2010 at 1:32 pm
Michael,
It seems to me that you miss the point about mereology in these remarks, confusing an object with the objects that dwell within another object. This is the only way to conceptualize a society as a loose assemblage. The whole point of the mereological considerations is that the sub-objects within an object are independent of that object. To get an object you have to have a totality. That is, an object exists when you have a structure or system of interdependent parts, no matter how fleeting that structure or system might be. This is why a society qualifies as an object. A society isn’t the people, technical objects, or natural objects that are found within that society. No, a society is a relational totality that binds these things together. It is a system. And this system is characterized by dynamic and oscillating regularities. I hasten to add that these totalities are open and developing, not closed and fixed.
Here is where OOO mereology gets weird. That object is also composed of other objects that are themselves autonomous or independent objects. Thus you give the example of people that fly to New York to watch a Broadway play who end up staying there for thirty years, asking whether or not they’re a part of the society. This is where your confusion arises. The people aren’t the society. In fact, there aren’t any people in a society whatsoever, and this because the society is not the objects that are found within it, but a particular endo-consistent structure in its own right. And what is the proof of this? People come and go, they live and die, but the social relations persist. What you are thus doing is conflating in a highly positivist manner objects that happen to enter into the purview of a society with the society itself. Here I am in complete agreement with your remark that a shifting and interacting mass of hominids and artifcacts does not a society make; and this because you have to have a certain endo-relational structure, a totality, to get a society. A shifting and interacting mass of hominids and artifacts is as little an object as a pile of marbles is an object. Additionally, I would say that naming has little to do with whether or not we have a society, nor does whether or not you have a society have anything to do with whether people imagine or fantasize a society. People can quite easily be embroiled in a society without having the faintest idea that they’re embroiled in a society.
Now you will go back to your example of the apple arguing that there is a fundamental difference between societies and apples, but here I would humbly suggest that if you really believe this you haven’t thought much about apples. An apple, like a society, is a totality or system of interdependent relations composed of other objects that come and go while the apple persists. The cells of the apple live and die, undergo constant internal processes, while the apple as a totality persists. The smaller objects within the apple– it’s cells and many other things besides –are themselves independent objects. Yet the variations in the objects that exist inside an apple do not themselves spell the nonexistence of the apple. The apple as an object is one object and all the objects that team inside the apple are other objects. And in these cases I think it is OOO that is thinking about real objects and how they’re structured, trying to formulate an ontology adequate to these objects, not simply concocting some “pure ontology” divorced from these objects. I think in your conflation of society with the people that happen to be in it, your treatment of society in terms of what people imagine and name (this would be news to workers in a factory, I believe… that they had imagined it all or that their lives weren’t genuinely affected by fluctuations in value as a real force in their world) and in your remarks about apples it is quite clearly revealed who has a thin understanding of objects as they actually exist and who hasn’t thought much about these issues.
April 1, 2010 at 11:44 pm
I’m glad Hyper Tiling was on the scene.
For me, the object-oriented approach provides a framework that unites the practices of arts, natural science, and social science. Like Levi, it asks what are the differences that make a difference? I would answer that for all the practices, there is no difference in the ontological status of their objects of study, of practice, or of production. Think Latourian litanies. Electric cars, scientific papers, the tip of Mt. Everest, the words in a newspaper. And, somehow, circulating Reference between them. All unique objects in practices, productions, and networks.
As for philosophy, I don’t really care at all about the analytic-continental divide, because it is blatantly obvious that this hyphenated quip does not reference anything consequential considering the scope of the practices that can be called philosophical. If OOO broadens the sciences it would seem to necessarily broaden philosophy as well. Philosophers overestimate the differences between each other in the same way correlationists overestimate the distance between Mind and World. As vast gulfs that cannot be crossed. This is a pessimism that also poisons the political left, which is among the practices that can be called philosophical.
April 2, 2010 at 12:14 am
I’m of much the same opinion here, AMM:
For me there’s just philosophy, not two distinct philosophies known as the analytic and the continental. In this respect, the analytic/continental divide indexes not different philosophies but the manner in which a distribution of power functions in academic institutions the United States.
April 2, 2010 at 11:57 am
“For me there’s just philosophy, not two distinct philosophies known as the analytic and the continental. In this respect, the analytic/continental divide indexes not different philosophies but the manner in which a distribution of power functions in academic institutions the United States.”
Did everyone hear that?
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