Over at his workblog, Shaviro has written a response to my post on Latour last night. Shaviro writes:
But here I think that Levi is wrong. It is not the case for Latour (or for Whitehead) that according to their relationism, “actants just are their relations.” It is rather the case that actants constitute themselves by how they respond to (or how they manage, or how they “translate”) their relations. The actants do not precede their relations, but neither are they reducible to their relations. So when Latour speaks of a gap or supplement in which there must be some sort of agency, he is not contradicting his relationism, but precisely expounding its consequences. Nothing exists except insofar as it has relations or defines itself in terms of its relations; but this has never meant, for Latour or for Whitehead, that anything is “nothing more than” its relations.
Actually what Shaviro describes here, with a couple of qualifications, is just about identical to my position. When I describe objects as withdrawn, I am not arguing that they exist in complete isolation (here I think Graham is far more radical than me). Rather, I am referring to the irreducibility of substance to its relations. In my view, there is always an excess of substance over whatever relations it happens to enter into. And by this I mean that at the virtual level, objects are always populated by potentials that aren’t actualized in their qualities. These potentials are always entirely concrete in the object, but they aren’t actual. Moreover, the actualized qualities share no resemblance to the potentials that render them possible. In this respect, every quality is a genuine creation in the world or production of something new.
Unlike Graham, I don’t make a distinction between real objects and real qualities and sensuous objects and sensuous objects. Rather, I argue that objects are split between their virtual and actual dimension. At the virtual level, there are no qualities, but there are internal relations and singularities. That is, there’s structure. Moreover, in many objects, this structure is not fixed but can be transformed (most living systems are of this sort). In my schema, it’s only at the actual level that there are qualities. Moreover, within the framework that I propose, I have no problem with objects “touching” one another.
Returning to Shaviro’s remarks above, one of the primary ways in which novelty comes into the world is through objects encountering or relating to one another. One object perturbs another. That perturbation is translated into information by the perturbed object. Information is not something transmitted as something identical between the two objects, but rather is an event that takes place within the perturbed object that selects a system or object-state. The selection of an object-state is the actualization of a singularity in the virtual dimension of the object in a particular way, producing a quality or state in the object. In other words, it is, in many instances, through the relational encounter that the quality or local manifestation takes place. And that quality is something entirely new.
Within the framework of my onticology, withdrawl thus denotes two things. On the one hand, it denotes the non-identity of information and perturbations. Information is always system-specific and a product of systems. There is no information that exists out there in the world apart from systems. As a consequence, information is never identical to perturbations. Perturbations can produce very different information in different entities. Insofar as objects transform perturbations into information or events that select system states, objects are withdrawn from other objects. They never encounter them as they are. On the other hand, objects are withdrawn from their local manifestations in that they always contain a virtual excess over and above whatever local manifestation they might produce. In many respects, my objects can be thought in terms of Leibniz’s monads or Deleuze’s drawing of the baroque house in The Fold. There’s openness to the world here, but it is always in terms of the object’s own organization.
My caveat would be that I don’t think Shaviro is right to suggest that objects are what they are through their relations. This conflats local manifestation with virtual proper being. In many cases, local manifestations are what they are because of the relations an object enters into, but nonetheless objects always contain a reserve that isn’t exhausted (until death or destruction) by their local manifestations. Moreover, I don’t think encounters with other objects can be treated as the exhaustive source of local manifestations. My worry here is that relationisms of the sort Shaviro describes– even if it’s an externalism –reduce objects to a state of passivity. It might sound like you’re championing objects by emphasizing the creativity with which objects rework these perturbations or encounters, but the fact remains that the object is at the mercy of undergoing an encounter to creatively produce something. In my view, there are many objects in which local manifestations can take place as a function of internal dynamics within the object, rather than solely as the result of an encounter with another object.
July 2, 2010 at 10:20 pm
You write,”…objects are always populated by potentials that aren’t actualized in their qualities. These potentials are always entirely concrete in the object, but they aren’t actual.”
just a quick question, if I may: how can somthing be “concrete” and not actual???
July 2, 2010 at 10:39 pm
They can be specific to that object and tied to the existence of that object without being actualized. In other words, they are not abstract possibilities.
July 2, 2010 at 10:55 pm
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July 2, 2010 at 11:09 pm
I still don’t follow.
How are potentials “tied” to an object? What binds them?
Aren’t ‘potentials’ precisely the not-concrete possibilities of an entity’s actual properties? That is to say, potentials do not actually exist separate from the inherent properties and the possibilities that might be unleashed only in relation.
July 2, 2010 at 11:26 pm
Michael,
You can read the book when it comes out or the numerous posts I’ve written on virtual proper being and local manifestation if you wish to understand this. I’ve given detailed discussions as to why I believe objects can properly be understood if we attribute a virtual dimension to them and why this virtual dimension cannot be equated with the qualities of an object. You might start with this post, though there are posts in varying degrees of detail and from different angles throughout this blog. Referencing your comments elsewhere, unfortunately since, according to you, I am a privileged, white male academic incapable of practicing reflexivity or taking it seriously and who, in his elitism, does not work with people outside of the academy I cannot be bothered to enter into dialogue with you on these issues as I just don’t believe you’re qualified to understand them. Careful about poisoning that well, buddy.
July 3, 2010 at 2:07 am
Fair enough Levi. I don’t expect much. I just couldn’t help but to ask, since the discussion/issue of ‘objects and relations’ is fundamental and so damn interesting…
July 3, 2010 at 8:37 am
Levi, your initial caveat notwithstanding, I don’t think Shaviro will be satisfied. He’s making the same point he always does… A chair is not just the sum total of its prehensions because it has subjective aim. (Toscano makes the same claim about Whitehead in his book, citing Rorty I believe.)
But this misses the point that the chair that has subjective aim *is itself* a concrescence of a sum total of prehensions in the recent past. As Shaviro knows, I think he is simply too eager to defend Whitehead, and is thereby missing the real problems that haunt this view of the world. It attempts to defend Whitehead by making him less radical than he actually is.
July 3, 2010 at 4:52 pm
First off, a daft question; how can I block quote?
I think you underplay your one caveat that is the central issue at stake in Shaviro’s comments…
“My caveat would be that I don’t think Shaviro is right to suggest that objects are what they are through their relations. This conflats local manifestation with virtual proper being.”
“In my view, there is always an excess of substance over whatever relations it happens to enter into.”
The issue is less that substance is in excess to local manifestation, as there is a qualitative difference for you between singularities and qualities, they are of different orders that defies excess in terms of a quantitative scale. Emphasis is placed on substance, this being the target of Shaviro comments, as this consequently limits and grounds the identity of the virtual potentials and actualizations through the possibility of isolating the object and with that, its singularities and the range of response.
If there is an ‘excess’ it is in the local manifestation i.e. which is non-essential and secondary to the proper being of the object.Which leads Shaviro to say…
“a noun is needed in order to ground a verb (an action) and an adverb (a how or manner of action), that I don’t accept from OOO.”
But that stirs you to say…
“My worry here is that relationisms of the sort Shaviro describes– even if it’s an externalism –reduce objects to a state of passivity.”
From my impression it is less the case of being reduced wholly to passivity, but that there is a case to be made that there is a kind of passivity or ability to be affected that cannot be fully eliminated or controlled.Which denies the possibility of the ‘withdrawn’ status of the object as being protected from repercussions from manifestation. The object is fully at stake in its exposure.
Will
July 4, 2010 at 1:50 am
I’d like to add a question or thought to this mix. Shaviro would be right to question an intepretation of Latour that reduces objects to being nothing but their relations. If objects are systems, however, as I understand Levi, then in the end I think Levi is (potentially) in agreement with Shaviro. The question I’d like to add concerns Latour’s concept of relative existence, which he uses to argue that an object is more autonomous the more constructed it is. As I read this, and I’m simplifying greatly, an object only is to the extent that it is networked and translates other objects, which are themselves translations and relations to other objects, and so on. This is what I take Shaviro to mean when he says that “actants do not precede their relations, but neither are they reducible to their relations.” An actant does not precede its relations for it only acquires autonomy as it becomes constructed and enmeshed in an expanding network of translations and relations (or systems); but objects are also events (in the manner of Whitehead and Deleuze) and hence they always exceed established relations and are consequently not reducible to them. This allows for the historicity of objects (a point Latour stresses repeatedly) – or it allows for their relative existence as the relative strength of the networks wax and wane. My question, in short: to the extent that this is Latour’s argument, does Latour believe in objects as is argued by OOO? It seems that OOO gives more autonomy to objects than Latour would accept. With Latour’s notion of relative existence, it would seem that an object could lose autonomy altogether – such as spontaneous fermentation did as it gave way to the autonomy of Pasteur’s microorganisms. If Latour ultimately does not believe in objects as OOO does, then perhaps Shaviro and Levi do disagree in the end (or at least I would tend to disagree with OOO).
July 4, 2010 at 4:03 pm
The issue of Whitehead scholarship aside, I agree with Jeffrey: “If objects are systems, however, as I understand Levi, then in the end I think Levi is (potentially) in agreement with Shaviro.”
The systematic nature of a thing coalesced is both event and object.
July 4, 2010 at 5:20 pm
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