Ivakhiv has a post up on the attractions of process philosophy. I wanted to draw attention to a particular passage in Ivakhiv’s post. Adrian writes:
But the point I want to make is a point of style. When an object-oriented philosopher makes the case for a description of the universe that is made up of objects, things that are never fully related and that are always somewhat withdrawn from other things, he (or, in theory, she) is making the case for describing the universe as a universe of things that do certain things, that act in certain ways, and that maintain themselves over time, like Tim’s mouse, unless something happens to change them from the outside. While this may not be equivalent to a Newtonian world-picture — of objects in space moving around and bumping into each other, setting off or redistributing lawful causal effects as they do that — it is, in its overall contours, highly consonant with such a world-picture (minus perhaps the space, and plus a kind of space-time curvature at each node for indicating where the objects might be withdrawing to). [my emphasis]
I don’t wish to sound grumpy, but I find it very difficult to have discussions with people who make remarks about OOO such as this as I believe that rhetorically they are unfair and that they are reflective of a failure to attend to the actual claims made by theorists such as Graham and myself. Newton’s particles are indivisible and without division. Moreover, they don’t do anything. They are merely acted upon, rather than acting in any way. They are purely passive.
Why should we bow to Newton’s concept of objects as purely passive points that are only acted upon without acting? Certainly we get a very different picture of substances in Aristotle’s De Anima and Generation of Animals. However, that aside, nothing in either my account of objects or Graham’s remotely resembles the Newtonian universe. Graham objects are both capable of acting (rather than merely being acted upon) and are infinite multiplicities of objects wrapped in objects wrapped in objects wrapped in objects. My objects are actors that perpetually face the problem of entropy or disintegration, thereby having to produce themselves from moment to moment to endure in time. Indeed, as I argued in my Claremont talk, The Time of the Object, the structure of objects is to be understood in a manner akin to Derrida’s differance, where the substantiality of substance is essentially a temporal structure that produces itself in the order of time. As a consequence, the identity of an object is not an intrinsic feature of an object, but rather is a process through which substances produce themselves. As Hegel joked, if identity were identical it would not have to be said twice (A = A). In other words, repetition is essential to identity.
Where, I wonder, is there anything resembling a Newtonian universe in these sorts of claims? Nonetheless, if the term substance is to be retained, if substance is a better way of thinking entities than events or processes, if event and process is subordinate to substance, then this is because 1) entities are nonetheless patterned or structured despite their becoming, 2) they are unities, and 3) they cannot be submerged in or exhausted by their relations. Relations can always be detached. Objects can always enter into new relations. It is these features that constitute the substantiality of substance, not existing as some sort of indivisible point or particle in space bumping into other things. Any characterization otherwise portrays the concept of substance as a strawman in the history of philosophy. And indeed, Ivakhiv has repeatedly emphasized that he sees the differences between OOO and process philosophy as a difference between terminologies. Yet this suggests that the debate is something akin to a German and American arguing over whether we should say “es regnet” or “it rains”. However, I do believe that the differences are more substantial than that, for if you hold that entities are constituted by their relations then you lose that excess by which it is possible to account for how anything new can enter the world. This excess can only be maintained through the thesis of withdrawn substances that are in excess of any of their relations and that can shift in and out of their relations. All of that aside, so long as process philosophers insist on completely mischaracterizing OOO based on the suggestion that it is some sort of Newtonianism or a mere difference in vocabulary, it’s difficult to see how there can be any dialog.
December 9, 2010 at 6:31 pm
Hi Levi – I take your point about your philosophy being worlds away from anything Newtonian. I didn’t mean to characterize your entire philosophy in this way. My point was more about process philosophy – its attractions, for me – and about the terminological preferences of OOO (in general), which aren’t as attractive to me, if only because they seem to make it too easy for mice to remain mice even if they’re dead, i.e. even if they are clearly post-mice. In the end, perhaps I was overreacting to the mouse.
I like your (Derridean) definition of objects here very much (“a temporal structure that produces itself in the order of time”, etc.), and I will read your Claremont paper. Thanks for posting it.
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December 9, 2010 at 6:57 pm
OOO does a much better job keeping up with Einstein than process relationism:
http://ecologywithoutnature.blogspot.com/2010/12/hyperobjects-cthulhu-and-you.html
and
http://ecologywithoutnature.blogspot.com/2010/12/of-lava-lamps-and-firehoses.html
December 9, 2010 at 7:41 pm
“This excess can only be maintained through the thesis of withdrawn substances that are in excess of any of their relations and that can shift in and out of their relations.”
Forgive me in advance, but I was just saying to poet Jacob Russell the other day that as stimulating as the philosophy is– and it is!–I sometimes think the philosophers need us more than we need them. Bold, I know, (Levi might even call me a brat for saying so, which would of course make my day) but maybe this of Jacob’s recent poems can help advance the clarity.
The Exponential Self Perambulates
Three of us there were went out
like candles, like hunters after the wolf
like nothing but ourselves ourself
our different ways
three one says there may be more but less
I doubt
thinking of breakfast, one
watching passing traffic, two
asleep & circumnavigating inner planets, three
or looking for lost keys
the rest
thinking of crisp thin slices of radish on buttered bread
keep coming back to that one does
the rest ignore this hunger at our peril
others preferred to water the garden
to remember
smell of spring rain
forgotten lovers
leaves damp with must
gravity you see
has no weight in dreams
that one will simply have to walk, no cash for cab
keep in mind that if one has to pee all do
while having sex
was always a powerful stimulus
to wander, swimming underwater
we were not about to answer the phone
as you suspected all along it’s the radishes
that will pull it all together in the end
how cool to tongue, how sharp to bite
& when its time to do the dishes
time to go
to one and all
Good night!
From http://retortmagazine.com/live/2010/12/four-poems-by-jacob-russell/#more-281
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