In his classic and infamous paper “What Mary Didn’t Know”, Frank Jackson proposes the following thought experiment:
Mary is a brilliant scientist who is, for whatever reason, forced to investigate the world from a black and white room via a black and white television monitor. She specializes in the neurophysiology of vision and acquires, let us suppose, all the physical information there is to obtain about what goes on when we see ripe tomatoes, or the sky, and use terms like ‘red’, ‘blue’, and so on. She discovers, for example, just which wavelength combinations from the sky stimulate the retina, and exactly how this produces via the central nervous system the contraction of the vocal cords and expulsion of air from the lungs that results in the uttering of the sentence ‘The sky is blue’. […] What will happen when Mary is released from her black and white room or is given a color television monitor? Will she learn anything or not?
Jackson’s thought experiment is designed to refute physicalism or the thesis that mind is a material thing. The idea is that Mary, the brilliant neuroscientist, knows everything there is to know about the mechanics of vision and neurology. However, she has arrived at this knowledge in a black and white television monitor, in a black and white room, and presumably only sees her own body somehow in black and white. Based on the thought experiment, Jackson invites us to ponder whether Mary learns anything new when she leaves the room and sees color for the first time. Since Mary knows everything there is to know about vision and neurology, it would seem to follow that she also knows what it is like for something to be red. Right? However, we can’t help but think that when Mary leaves the room she learns something new or that her discursive understanding of color vision doesn’t generate the experience of redness. If this is true, Jackson contends, then there is something that falls outside our scientific and physicalist understanding of consciousness.
Jackson’s thought experiment has generated a tremendous amount of controversy (and a huge literature), and it seems to me, at least, that it is deeply problematic and almost sophistical. Whenever I reflect on the thought experiment, I feel as if a trick has been played on me, that there is some sort of fundamental confusion at work here. I’ll set all that aside, however. We can adapt the form of the thought experiment– not its content pertaining to issues of consciousness –and instead use a variation of the thought experiment to think about the mysteriousness of matter. The paradox of matter is that no matter how much we know about it, we still seem unable to say or think what it is. In other words, there’s a way in which everything we say about matter fails to get at what it is.
All of us are acquainted with matter. In a lot of ways it is the most familiar thing in the world. We experience the resistance of walls, the pain of a rock or bowling ball falling on our foot, the failure of hallucinations to satiate our hunger, the swoon of drunkenness from alcohol and other drugs and so on, the fatigue of our bodies when we run out of energy, the pull of gravity on our bodies, and so on. We experience the materiality of matter all the time and in every aspect of our lives. Saying just what this materiality or physicality is proves more difficult.
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Aristotle, in his own way, already articulated this issue. Among other things, Aristotle distinguishes between material and formal causes. The material cause is what the thing is made of (iron, gold, stone, glass, ice, etc.). The formal cause is the shape or pattern of the thing. Thus the material cause of a ball is rubber, while the formal cause is its sphericity. Aristotle’s distinction between form and matter is perfectly reasonable and was probably intended to just be heuristic. The rubber of the ball can take on many different forms or shapes. For example, it could be formed into a car mat. Likewise, sphericity can occur in a variety of different matters: glass globes, wood, rock, metal, etc.
The problem with Aristotle’s distinction is that it gives the impression that there is one thing, form, and another thing matter. Now what we know when we know anything– I think, maybe I’m wrong –is the pattern or form of a thing. This is what I carry with me in my thought or intellect. After all, the form or pattern of something is something that can exist in a variety of different media, including thought. For instance, my knowledge of circles consists in knowing the equation for circles, the form or pattern, not what that pattern might happen to be embodied in. This distinction, that began as merely heuristic, then leads us to the view that purely formless matter must exist. But since all we ever know is form, matter becomes deeply mysterious.
So since we never encounter formless matter, we then conclude that there is no formless matter. We recognize that the rubber of the ball can take on many different shapes or patterns, but that it nonetheless has a form or structure of its own. Yet here we encounter another problem. While there is no formless matter– glass, iron, stone, wood, etc. all have a structure that can nonetheless be formed in many ways –knowledge of the form of matter nonetheless fails to deliver the thing itself. In other words, we get a situation similar to the one that Frank Jackson describes with Mary: I can know everything there is to know about the structure (form) of matter, but still when I think the chemical formula of glass, my thought of the pattern of glass still doesn’t produce glass. With Graham Harman– who has been a staunch critic of materialism –we can say that the materiality of matter, its “thisness” is necessarily withdrawn. No matter how well I know the chemistry of pizza– its form or pattern –my thinking of that form or pattern still fails to produce a pizza that will satisfy my hunger (as an aside, why the hell do I have to go to New York to get such pizza? Why can’t they make it everywhere? There’s a deep mystery here.).
This is the problem with those neo-materialisms we find in thinkers such as Badiou and Meillassoux (and also Ladyman and Ross). They are right to talk about the pattern or formal structure of matter, but nonetheless they miss something important about the materiality of matter: that no matter how hard we think that pattern or formal structure, we still can’t make it happen through thought. The problem with these neo-realisms is that they tend to reduce matter to its iterable formal pattern, missing that there’s still something irreducible about matter, that we must await it. No matter how well I know the chemical equation of that New York pizza, my thinking of that equation can’t make it happen or appear. There’s something about the materiality of matter that isn’t captured in that knowledge of form.
Far from being merely a negative consequence, I think this feature of matter gives us the key to introducing it into our critical theory. Before getting into that, a digression is first necessary. When I recently began discussing these issues a friend of mine on facebook worried that I was claiming that we should abandon the humanities and that instead we should grant the natural sciences hegemony in our discourses. My response to this is two-fold: First, what’s wrong with the natural sciences? There’s a marked tendency in the humanities to reject mathematics and the natural sciences. We see this, for example, in Heidegger’s claim that “mathematics does not think” (a claim that Badiou has demonstrated to be ridiculous), and in his characterization of the natural sciences as “enframing”. I believe that these views are irresponsible (especially in the face of climate change, the energy crisis, and evolution denialism), and that they are more the result of a phobia and institutional pressures we face in academia from cutbacks, as opposed to anything to do with a serious engagement with the natural sciences. Indeed, I suspect that these claims arise more out of a desire to assert the hegemony of our form of knowledge and methodologies, our will to power, rather than anything rational or reasonable. Second, the point in recognizing the materiality of matter lies not in suddenly adopting the discourses of the natural sciences, but rather in recognizing the role played by that that is not of the order of meaning, the signifier, the concept, or discourse, in the world around us. It’s not the call for us suddenly to become natural scientists and concede, for example, the interpretation of literature to neuroscientists.
What, then, does making room for materiality mean? I have suggested that matter is that which somehow eludes all discursivity, signification, or thought. We can think the pattern, structure, or form of matter, but that thought does not deliver it. Paradoxically, it is Kant who helps us to think the materiality of matter. Kant distinguished between “spontaneity” and “receptivity”. Spontaneity refers to the domain of the concept, of thought, the signifier, or meaning. If these things are characterized by spontaneity, it’s because they can be brought to mind whenever we wish. A thing doesn’t have to be present for us to think through the Pythagorean theorem. I can think that theorem whenever I like. I can do this with poems, meanings, signifiers, and so on. All of these things, in their own way, belong to the domain of spontaneity.
By contrast, “receptivity” refers to the domain of what must be encountered to take place. No matter how much I think about baba ghanoush, I cannot produce the taste of baba ghanoush in my mouth, much less its nutritional effects. No, I must actually encounter baba ghanoush for these things to take place. There must be material encounters– regardless of how well I understand the chemistry and cultural semiotics of baba ghanoush –for this relation to take place. There is no spontaneity here, only receptivity. I can’t make it happen in thought. There is a thisness that eludes my power and control that can only arise from an encounter for affects to take place.
These are trite and obvious observations, but nonetheless ripe with profound consequences. Thinking materiality means thinking that which eludes spontaneity or what eludes discursivity. For critical theory and the humanities, it means thinking that which eludes meaning, signification, conceptuality, form, pattern, or spontaneity. It means thinking that which can only result from an encounter between entities.
This entails thinking our own being in a very different sense. First, it means thinking the agency of bio-chemical reactions in our bodies that are not the result of operations of our consciousness and that aren’t conscious such as how alcohol, vitamins, brain chemistry, different diets affect us. We experience the effects of these things, but not the processes themselves; nor are we in control of these processes. Similarly, it means an analysis of infrastructure– in the literal sense of inscription systems (voice, writing, satellite, telegraph, etc), highways, available foods, shipping routes, available jobs in an area, the rate at which information can travel given a medium and whether it can travel to a particular area at all, foods available, fuels available, and so on –as well as energetic requirements in the form of calories available and fuels available. It means attending to the sorts of energy required to sustain certain practices and certain forms of life and social assemblages (what energy is required to sustain internet culture, for example?). It requires attending to how time is structured for biological and laboring bodies. Is your average person immune to your ultra-radical Marxist critique of neoliberalism because they’re duped by ideology (a set of discursive beliefs and a structure of signification), or because they work twelve hours a day, take care of children, feed themselves, do chores, leaving little to no cognitive energy or time for attending to anything else and lacking any realistic alternative for the energetic requirements of their lives? In other words, have you, the academic, the critical theorist, the professor, analyzed your own temporal structure, the privilege it grants you in terms of time and energy, and how it leads you to discursive explanations of power? Above all, a materialist perspective emphasizes the manner in which we’re embodied and ecologically embedded or dependent on all sorts of practices.
In my opinion, very little of what we call “materialism” deserves to be called materialism. “Materialism” is a sort of meaningless nom-du-pere that all critical theorists must adopt and claim, without taking it seriously. Indeed, since Gramsci’s cultural Marxism, the early Frankfurt school (before the abomination of Habermas who’s the equivalent of the “new French philosophers), and the Althusserians, we’ve witnessed nothing but the gradual erasure of materialism. Instead, we’ve seen the concerted attempt to reduce the materiality of matter to the spontaneous or the order of the idea, meaning, the signifier, text, discursivity, and so on. Yet mathematical equations and signifiers have never themselves produced ecological disasters, and no one has ever starved to death from lack being able to think the Pythagorean equation. There is a withdrawal and thisness to matter that is irreducible to the spontaneity of discursivity and signification. To be a materialist is to think that irreducibility and its importance to understanding power.
March 19, 2013 at 2:56 am
Yet mathematical equations have produced both the instrumental apparatuses and theoretical matrix of ideas that allowed Enrico Fermi in 1932 to split the physical or material matter of uranium with particularized neutrinos that started the process that ultimately destroyed the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki Japan. How explain what kinds of communications wen on between math and matter that allowed us to produce such destructive power? The very real reduction of power to the elements of an atomic blast killed millions of humans… yes, mathematical equations in themselves, isolated and subtracted from the human probably would not have done this: but these ideas that came out of humans, engaged willing by humans, and openly accepted by the vast majority of a nation allowed such ideas to proscribe the destruction of another Nation. So Ideas do have ethical consequences, and ethics about such uncontrollable Ideas in the hands of that monstrous organism, the human, must ultimately be constrained by other even more terrible ideas and judgments: ethics.
March 19, 2013 at 6:06 am
Word…
March 19, 2013 at 11:03 am
But what definition are you proposing as the mark of difference between physicalism and materialism?
March 19, 2013 at 12:06 pm
I’m not. They’re the same.
March 19, 2013 at 2:26 pm
In a human’s phenomenal experience of color, the perceptual apparatus of the organism and the optical array of the environment are perfectly confounded. Some intellectual effort must be exerted, and some artificiality introduced, in order to split them apart — rods and cones on one side of the divide, electromagnetic wavelengths on the other. A similar effort of artificial splitting has to be enacted in order to distinguish between the structural and elemental properties of compounds like salt (NaCl) and water (H2O). John Dalton, one of the founders of what would become modern atomic theory, also happened to be color blind. His first scientific paper included the first systematic description of color blindness, which soon came to be known as Daltonism. I don’t know his intellectual history, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Dalton’s own visual limitations, his subjective awareness of the split between perception and optics, became an important influence on his later work in atomic theory.
March 19, 2013 at 3:38 pm
Hi, Levi. I am genuinely confused by your argument. My sticking point, I guess, is how materialism implies that we should be able to conjure pizzas with our minds.
March 19, 2013 at 4:18 pm
Asher,
The point only makes sense in the context of how some others have theorized materialism. Thinkers such as Badiou and Meillassoux have asserted an identity between mathematics and matter. Mathematics belongs to the domain of spontaneity. I can have a priori and certain knowledge of the properties of million sided figures, for example, without ever having encountered these figures in the physical world. If it is true that maths and matter are identical, then it should follow that we can conjure physical entities should we have perfect mathematical knowledge of their being. This seems plainly impossible, therefore there must be something more to the materiality of matter than its mathematical structure.
March 19, 2013 at 4:34 pm
I’m intrigued with this post…I find myself in disagreement, but not a huge deal as I hope to learn more of your positions, over your characterization of Badiou and Meillasoux. I think both thinkers are not under the illusion that the “pattern or formal structure of matter” can be made to happen “through thought.” Indeed, it will take a huge investment of thought to dig deeper or peer through the veils (it depends which strategy is pertinent here, whether overmining or undermining), or what in Latourian strategy of reconstructing a double separation (in We Have Never Been Modern), will take thought to recognize that there is actually a “symmetrical space that organizes the separation” between high and low, above and below, human and nonhuman, etc. In any case, thought is not discouraged to unpack matter in order to describe it in terms of its properties, figures, units, etc. Both Badiou and Meillasoux are under no illusion that these properties, figures, units are made to happen by a thought that works in the sense that it harnesses “forces in a work” (as Deleuze and Guattari would emphasize in A Thousand Plateaus concerning how an assemblage of sorts can be made to open to something else). What made them work (insofar as they work in the fields of enunciation of science and the humanities) is no doubt initiated by thought for purposes of “dating and naming” in order to “know their historical effectuations” (also from Deleuze and Guattari in A Thousand Plateaus) but more importantly, they work because they are invested by the spirit of a community, or in the context of a Deleuzean geography, by a people. It is here where thought is deterritorialized by spirit or work in the collective sense of a people or a community. No science or philosophy is possible unless the thought that invests itself in its explanations is already invoked by the collective sense of interest. That is why Badiou would emphasize fidelity. My understanding of this fidelity is the same as the Deleuzean invocation of a people, or, let’s say, of its work. Here, ‘work’ also takes the meaning of what is ultimately presupposed by thought’s intensive reductions. The kind of ‘work’ that utilizing Latour’s strategy of reconstructing a double separation works as the symmetrical space that these reductions presuppose. But I would like to imagine this Latourian symmetrical space as something whose interest if at all in our explanations, scientific or otherwise, is irreducibly indifferent. But that is precisely the point. It encourages reductions. I guess I’m rambling already…
March 20, 2013 at 3:00 pm
‘Thinkers such as Badiou and Meillassoux have asserted an identity between mathematics and matter. Mathematics belongs to the domain of spontaneity. I can have a priori and certain knowledge of the properties of million sided figures, for example, without ever having encountered these figures in the physical world. If it is true that maths and matter are identical, then it should follow that we can conjure physical entities should we have perfect mathematical knowledge of their being. This seems plainly impossible, therefore there must be something more to the materiality of matter than its mathematical structure.’
I’ll leave Badiou aside. I don’t know his work that well.
Meillassoux does not assert an identity between mathematics and matter. He thinks that mathematics allows us to think the primary qualities intrinsic to matter, which is one part of his project, but the real issue is to stress that mathematics allows us to think those qualities outside the correlation. His query is about how such qualities persist or how we might speak of them literally.
He has no problem with how matter also has secondary qualities (the region of description or phenomenology which he is fine with, but is not interested in). There is nothing in his work to suggest that matter is only primary qualities. The focus is rather on how we tend to consider primary ones the same way we think secondary ones.
I don’t think anybody believes we conjure up pizzas with our mind.
March 20, 2013 at 3:52 pm
Paul,
My argument is a reductio ad absurdum. Of course no one believes we can conjure pizzas from thought alone. The point is that treating matter in terms of mathematics in this way doesn’t allow us to get at the materiality of matter. There is still an excess to matter– its true primary qualities –that isn’t captured by mathematics. Were it captured by mathematics (note the conditional here) we would be able to conjure existents into being through thought because maths belong to the domain of spontaneity. The point, then, is that reducing matter to mathematics elides this excess that is characteristic of matter. Maths allows us to grasp something of the materiality of matter, but is not its proper being. The issue of primary and secondary qualities is neither here nor there. Let’s also remember that Meillassoux, as a student of Badiou’s, holds to the identity of being and thinking (just as Badiou does). Matter, however, is precisely that which is non-identical to thinking.
March 20, 2013 at 4:20 pm
I’m following better now. Basically I want to note that Meillassoux does not follow Badiou on the point of the identity of being and thought and I sort of want to highlight how this is skewing your view of his position. He says, quite explicitly, in the Berlin lecture: ‘Being is not thought’ (page 12). [Also, in ‘History and Event,’ ‘I do not speak as a disciple of Alain Badiou, because I develop philosophical positions distinct from his…’].
March 20, 2013 at 4:52 pm
Fair point, Paul. I do think, however, that Peter Hallward raises an important point in his review of After Finitude when he asks what entitles us to make inferences from mathematics to facts about existence. This is, in part, the issue.
March 20, 2013 at 4:55 pm
I should clarify that when Badiou asserts the identity of being and thought, he’s claiming they have the same structure (as I understand it), not the idealist thesis that being is thought. Meillassoux seems to make a similar move. This, I think, can be seen with special clarity in his argument from facticity in chapter three (?) of After Finitude. Is this a defensible thesis?
March 20, 2013 at 5:18 pm
The claim that Badiou and Meillassoux are committed to an identity between mathematics and materiality seems off. They are committed to the idea that mathematics and ontology are identical. So mathematics is able to adequately describe being (or matter) but is not confused with it. Isn’t this what Badiou means by naming Being void as opposed to the way that Being is counted.
So when you say: “knowledge of the form of matter nonetheless fails to deliver the thing itself. In other words, we get a situation similar to the one that Frank Jackson describes with Mary: I can know everything there is to know about the structure (form) of matter, but still when I think the chemical formula of glass, my thought of the pattern of glass still doesn’t produce glass.” You are confusing levels and I don’t think you are actually presented anything even analogical to Jackson’s thought experiment. No one (perhaps other than the ancient Stoics and the lions leaping from their mouths) would claim that to know something is to actually have the thing itself. Who says that? The claim, instead, would seem to be that the knowledge of the structures of reality is adequate in its descriptions and that they presence of any particular thing would add nothing to the knowledge of the thing. But again, who is claiming that to have knowledge of a thing is the same as having the thing? This seems to confuse the point that Deleuze makes between corporeal transformations and incorporeal transformations. But maybe I am missing something.
March 20, 2013 at 5:19 pm
Jackson’s thought experiment highlights the distinction between knowledge and qualia. Qualia – strictly subjective experience, internalized and incapable of articulation – is excluded as a topic of knowledge by strong materialists.
What is ironic is that strong materialism continually extends it scope into deeper areas of human experience. On the one hand, strong materialists eliminate the category of pure subjectivity with the effect of clearing the way for certain types of (unethical?) behavior, while on the other hand, the qualia themselves must exist so that strict materialists have a subject validating and thereby justifying this extension of knowledge. For example, without subjects to state whether they “feel better” or not, anti-depressants would not exist. This is not to say that there should be no anti-depressants, but that a basic falsehood is the foundation of strict materialism.
March 20, 2013 at 5:26 pm
Stellarcartographies,
How can ontology not include a discourse on matter? If we’re saying math and ontology are identical and matter is one of the forms that being takes, then by transitivity we’re claiming matter can be reduced to maths.
March 20, 2013 at 5:30 pm
pebird,
Yeah, I’ve never been able to understand how anyone could reasonably reject the category of subjectivity. It’s one thing to argue that subjectivity is a material phenomenon, not a distinct substance (my view), but quite another to claim that it doesn’t exist at all.
March 20, 2013 at 9:31 pm
It’s smacks of kismet that you would raise Mary in the wake of recent debate, Levi, since I pondered raising it in order to clarify problems you were having with my critique of OOO. The ‘paradox’ raised by Mary seeing red for the first time lies in the assumption that complete knowledge can be had absent actual experience. When you parse the problem in terms of the first and third person you see that the issue is one of supposing a universality to the third person that it actually doesn’t possess. It is obviously the case that Mary gains new information pertaining to red when she experiences it for the first time. In other words the problem itself can be read as a clue: why do we assume the universality of third person cognition? The easy answer I would argue is that it’s a heuristic that like all heuristics we cannot metacognize as such. Jackson’s argument is a philosophical version of the tests cognitive psychologists use to suss out other heuristic missapplications.
What I find curious about your consideration is the way it cuts directly against the mystery posed by Mary. The mystery, as the literature takes it, is that experience seems to imply the falsity of physicalism. Experience is the ‘excess’ the mysterious thing that seems to constitutively slip through our cognitive fingers. The fact that our knowledge of matter is never complete simply speaks to our finitude, the fact that we are not God. It is a given. There is always more information. The miracle is that we know as much as we know given our paleolithic three pound brains. As for the problem of quiddity, or ‘thisness’ that is also something that can be tackled via the problem of experience – and answered quite handily in fact.
March 21, 2013 at 12:04 am
So you say:
“This is the problem with those neo-materialisms we find in thinkers such as Badiou and Meillassoux (and also Ladyman and Ross). They are right to talk about the pattern or formal structure of matter, but nonetheless they miss something important about the materiality of matter: that no matter how hard we think that pattern or formal structure, we still can’t make it happen through thought.”
Again, this seems to confuse our talking about something and the thing itself. The question of the mathematization of reality is a question about the adequacy of our theories about the real. But this discourse is not the real, nor does it claim to be. This is why Badiou and Meillassoux approach to mathematics is through Platonism and not Pythagoreanism. As for Ladyman and Ross, they would deny your promise as they reject the idea that there is matter. There is just structure all the way down. Here is Ladyman, Ross, et al.:
“There are, we will argue, no little things and no microbangings. Causation does not, in general, flow from the insides of containers to their outsides. The world is in no interesting ways like a wall made of bricks in motion (that somehow manages not to fall apart), or, in the more sophisticated extension of the metaphor dominant since modern science, like a chamber enclosing the molecules of a gas. Indeed, it is no longer helpful to conceive of either the world, or particular systems of the world that we study in partial isolation, as ‘made of’ anything at all” (p. 4)
Now you can return and say, “Yeah, but where is the matter?” but this would be to miss the point and attempt to hold thinkers to claims and circumstances that are thoroughly alien to them. Ladyman and Ross, Badiou and Meilassoux might be wrong but you cannot dismiss them with a reference to an intuition that tells you that they just don’t feel right.
And as for your critique of “academics” and “critical theorists”…You are an academic (quite specifically, you teach, present papers, write books, etc.) and you are a critical theorist (in a general sense of the term, offering critiques of the underlying powers of the cultural system).
Finally, is it not possible that the failure of the average person to ask after the fundamental forms of oppression that dictate their lives, a failure driven by the fact that “they work twelve hours a day, take care of children, feed themselves, do chores, leaving little to no cognitive energy or time for attending to anything else and lacking any realistic alternative for the energetic requirements of their lives”, precisely the particular form that ideology takes?
March 21, 2013 at 2:10 pm
Hi Stellarcartographies,
This is correct, however the problem is that it tends to generate an erasure of the materiality of matter. We end up replacing the radical exteriority of matter to a prioristic thought with the thinkable. We can see this symptomatically in Badiou, for example, in his rejections of sociology and the absence of concrete analyses of concrete conditions and the power they exercise.
Right, I find this deeply problematic. In Badiou, at least, you get some sort of acknowledgment that our models and the world aren’t the same, while in Ladyman and Ross the world gets reduced entirely to those models.
All I claim is that certain things internal to the humanities tend towards the erasure of the materiality of matter, not that this is inevitable or inescapable.
It seems to me that this sort of inflation of the term “ideology” renders it meaningless insofar as it takes the “ideo” out of ideology. My point isn’t that ideology doesn’t contribute a great deal to the form social relations take, only that it’s not everything and that we need to attend to these other things as well. This is the idea behind the borromean knot: to look at the interplay between these domains, not to treat one– in the case of ideology critique, the symbolic –as the sole or primary domain.
March 21, 2013 at 5:30 pm
It would help to distinguish more carefully between explanation and reduction. Science tries to probe ever more deeply into the structure of matter in general, and into the structure of conscious beings in particular. They do this by making increasingly more theoretically and technologically fruitful conceptual-symbolic frameworks. But does this mean that they aim to reduce what they explain to the explanatory frameworks? If not, then there is (or should be) no claim that scientific explanation could ever replace the phenomena by explaining it. I think this supports larval subject’s position, though I suspect that the old philosophical concept of “matter” creates, or reflects, the illusion that there is something left over to be explained.
March 21, 2013 at 6:12 pm
Here is the question in terms of structural realism (which I take to be your target): What happens if Ladyman is ultimately correct, that science no longer functions under the concept of matter but instead claims that what is real is something other than some actual physical thing? You seem to be, quite reasonably, invested in the findings of modern physics, for example, but if that science begins to work in contradistinction to what your intuitions feel should be the case (i.e. there is this thing called matter)? My question is: what happens if matter, as a concept, goes the way of phlogiston and caloric? Is it not possible that the term materialist no longer serves a purpose?
March 21, 2013 at 7:33 pm
“No one (perhaps other than the ancient Stoics and the lions leaping from their mouths) would claim that to know something is to actually have the thing itself. Who says that? [W]ho is claiming that to have knowledge of a thing is the same as having the thing?”
As Levi indicates, I do believe Harman has claimed in several places (don’t care to look it up) that objects are ”absolutely” withdrawn because we cannot have “total knowledge” of, say, a tree, because if we did we would need to actually have a real tree inside our brains. It is a weird requirement that for knowledge to be direct we must have “complete” understanding of that thing and actually capture the object itself in the act of knowing.
March 21, 2013 at 8:46 pm
Stellar (do you have a first name I can refer to you by? Given how much we talk it’s getting weird referring to you as Stellar!),
I think the question of what matter is is entirely open. If Ladyman and Ross are right, it’s not that they have abolished matter, only that matter has turned out to be structure. Matter might turn out to be indivisible Lucretian atoms. It could turn out to be energy (the direction in which I lean), and so on. My assumptions about matter– and I might have to abandon them eventually –are pretty simple: 1) matter is some sort of physical stuff, whatever physical stuff might turn out to be, 2) it can only travel from place to place at particular rates or speeds (the current limit being 186,282 mps), but generally being much slower, 3) it can’t be conjured by thought and is anterior to any thought and signification (though it can be represented perhaps), and things must touch in some way in order to affect one another. For example, I can’t see my cat across the room without light (a form of matter) bouncing off that cat, traveling to my eyes, and interacting with my nervous system. The weakest of these claims is 2 because of the phenomenon of quantum entanglement. However, a) it’s not clear that quantum entangled particles are distinct entities, so it’s not clear that there is an exchange of matter here that exceeds the speed of light, and b) it seems wrong to treat this unusual case as typical of all material interactions.
March 21, 2013 at 8:53 pm
Morgareidge,
It’s really not natural science and its probing of nature that I’m concerned about here. What I’m interested in primarily are issues of how to account for social and political phenomena. My thesis is that we don’t attend to materiality enough in our explanations of social and political phenomena, instead attending primarily to meaningful content. For example, we don’t spend much time thinking about the rate or speed at which information travels as a function of media and how this contributes to the form social assemblages take. Likewise, we don’t attend much to the energy requirements needed to sustain human bodies and particular social assemblages and forms of practice. These things, I believe, are as much an element in how power functions as meaningful content, the discursive, or the semiotic. It’s not a question of excluding the latter, but of thinking the entanglements between these things. Above all, it’s not a question of the “two cultures” or science versus the humanities.
March 21, 2013 at 9:11 pm
>So since we never encounter formless matter, we then conclude that there is no formless matter.
Eh, well, I don’t see why we should. Isn’t Dark Matter pretty much that “formless matter” that we can observe as matter, knowing nothing about it form?
March 21, 2013 at 9:38 pm
Anonymous,
It’s matter whose form or structure we don’t know. Given that everything else we’ve ever encountered has structure, there’s no reason to suppose this won’t be the case with dark matter.
March 21, 2013 at 9:58 pm
rsbakker, I found your comment extremely interesting in light of some problems I am currently working on and I was wondering if you would be willing to further clarify what you mean when you say the third person or universal perspective is a heuristic that “like all heuristics we cannot metacognize as such”?
Here is what I take you to be saying in your post: the third person standpoint is a heuristic structure we use for understanding the world (perhaps by relating variables to one another rather than to our experience or ourselves) and we mistakenly assume that we can apply that heuristic to first person experience without leaving anything out and this is what gives rise to the problem of Mary (this is, by the way, the answer that I think Merleau-Ponty would give to the problem of Mary). Is that an accurate summary of what you are saying or am I misunderstanding you?
If that is what you are saying, what does it mean to say we cannot metacognize the heuristic structure? It seems like that is what you are doing when you are describing how it gives rise to the problem of Mary, but perhaps you mean that when we are using it we cannot also be aware that we are using it or the way it is structuring our knowledge? Or perhaps I am misunderstanding you entirely?
March 21, 2013 at 10:14 pm
larvalsubjects,
But anyway, we still could not propose what dark matter really is, and there still is a possibility that a big deal of non-baryonic dark matter could be a sort of non-structuralised or non-structuralisable “just matter”. I’d be not so categorical in this field though.
March 22, 2013 at 12:44 am
Anonymous,
Sure, it’s possible, just not probable given all other things we’ve encountered so far. We’ll have to wait and see.
March 22, 2013 at 5:52 pm
And also, after all there still is a physical vacuum that by itself generally doesn’t consist of any formed particles, but still has some physical properties like vacuum energy, creation of particle pairs and so on. But yeah, we don’t know for sure about many details in these fields yet, but I think we still can’t clearly claim that there is no matter without or outside of form.
In my opinion what we could conclude out of that is that there is no immaterial forms.
March 22, 2013 at 7:09 pm
Brian C: I would love to hear more about what you think Merleau-Ponty would say about Mary. Your summary is pretty close – short of the imprecision of my terms. By metacognition I’m referring to our capacity to introspectively intuit our own cognitive capacities – which, as we have learned, is largely nil when it comes to theoretical cognition. We have no intuitive awareness of swapping between various heuristic systems let alone their misapplications or limitations more generally. (This is one of the reasons I find OOO so difficult to understand). We have only indirect means of determining these, such as those used by cognitive psychologists. The more we learn about cognition the more clear it seems that it is heuristic all the way down – which is what evolutionary thrift would suggest. You can a more complete version of the account in “Less than ‘Zero Qualia'” on my blog.
March 26, 2013 at 2:50 am
Thanks for this post; I came looking for a definition of positivism as opposed to materialism, and your post – along with the discussion it generated – has clarified this for me.
Something that particularly grabbed me was your brief but key (I think) mention of the materiality of language, specifically of writing. I absolutely side with you in advocating the kind of thinking you refer to here –
“Thinking materiality means thinking … that which eludes meaning, signification, conceptuality, form, pattern, or spontaneity. It means thinking that which can only result from an encounter between entities….”
– but surely this task is made more complicated in the case of what you describe as “inscription systems”, specifically that of writing, since this is an inscription system predicated precisely on signification and pattern. I think you’re saying that more attention should be directed not toward the semantics of writing but toward the material structures that permit the conveyance of said semantics (or perhaps the construction of semantics would be more appropriate, since meaning comes into effect UPON confluence of material elements rather than pre-exists them). Again, I couldn’t agree more with this position – if, indeed, I have understood yours correctly. I have two questions, though:
1) How do we think writing (that is, its visual and spatial presentation as distinct from semantic content), without generalising, ie, without turning actual writing into an abstraction? That is, I understand that studying “what energy is required to sustain internet culture” is an example of privileging the materiality of an aspect of that infrastructural inscription system. One equivalent enquiry in terms of writing per se might be ‘what energy is expended on academic writing and at the exclusion of what; what other material structures benefit from these exclusions?’, etc. But there is still a sense here in which writing is being theorised as a phenomenon, abstracting specific instances of writing at hand into a generalised concept. Is it sensical to think the materiality of a particular word – ‘rain’ – as it appears on my monitor in this room at midday with the blinds half-closed, or are its material effects repeatable – and if I assume the latter, do I undermine the materiality of its particular instantiations?
2) If we are to think writing apart from its semantic content, should this either theoretically or practically be any more complex than thinking, say, mountain goats apart from their semantic content? Do OOOs recognise that an object-to-object encounter or inta-action (to use Barad’s term) between reader and, say, alphabetic script is more complicated than encounters between other objects? Or, in perhaps another phrasing of the same question: what would OOO have to say about the ontology of words, per se?
I hope this doesn’t deviate from your post’s point too abruptly; I would be happy to be directed elsewhere for engagement with this topic.
March 27, 2013 at 6:52 am
rsbakker, thanks very much for replying to my post. I posted a slightly longer response on your own blog under the “Less Than Zero Qualia” post, so as not to hijack Levi’s blog. Take care.
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