In a comment responding to my last post, Matt writes:
I wanted to ask about your interpretation of Peirce as an anti-realist. He may not be your kind of realist (which means materialist, as I understand you), but he is a realist in many other senses of the word. But then that’s the rub, isn’t it? What the hell does “real” mean? Why am I even asking? How can I even ask? These are transcendental questions. But all is not lost. Here we are using words as if they were somehow separate from but subject to an objective reality, capable of reflecting it, reasoning about it, signifying it… Surely we know this framework is bunk and these questions are pointless. Worse, they are nihilist. They lead precisely nowhere, to nothing.
Better, I think, to adopt the pragmatic realism of Peirce, where construction goes all the way down since every being continues to exist only because it articulates itself successfully in relation to the many other material-semiotic beings co-constructing its habitat. Articulates itself to who? Certainly, not necessarily to any human being. Photons articulate themselves in relation to atoms. Stars gravitationally and photonically communicate with the planets orbiting them. These exchanges are meaningless mechanism, you say? Its all just efficient causes, just clueless colliding? If you say so, but then we are right back to playing word games, pretending we could designate something undesignatable. That’s pointless, if you ask me. Less toss transcendentalism and get on board with a regulative synechism.
First, I offered no “interpretation of Peirce” in my last post. I referenced him in contrast to Saussure. In Saussure you only have signifiers, language, and therefore your semiology is restricted to humans (since as far as we currently know, only humans have language). With Peirce you have icons and indexes in addition to symbols, and therefore can speak of semiotic systems or sign-systems for non-humans such as cats and ticks and tardigrades. Nowhere did I suggest that Peirce restricts us to language. However, this isn’t the issue I was discussing in my post.
Causal relations aren’t semiotic relations. In this regard, Matt’s making a fundamental category mistake– or drawing a poor analogy –when speaking of quantum interactions as semiotic interactions. To be sure, semiotic relations can be entangled with causal relations– clearly electro-magnetic waves must emanate from the pattern of the butterflies wings to reach the eyes of the bird and signify “predator” –such that wherever there is a semiotic relation there must also be some sort of physical, causal relation. However, the reverse isn’t the case. There doesn’t have to be a semiotic relation in order for there to be a causal relation. All sorts of causal interactions can take place without any semiotic dimension whatsoever. Suggesting otherwise is just confusing different types of relations.
In order for a relation to qualify as semiotic, two interrelated conditions must be met: 1) The sign must be capable of referring in the absence of that to which it refers, and 2) the sign must be capable of telling a lie or deceiving. Neither of these conditions are met by causal interactions. Causality can’t take place in the absence of the causal factor. For example, when you reading the writing on this page you’re not somehow causally impacting this writing, nor are the wavelengths of light reaching your eye the sense or meaning of these words; however what these words signify need not be present for them to signify. Similarly, people can have all sorts of relations to signifying phenomena pertaining to God and the gods despite the fact that neither God nor gods exist. With causality, by contrast, the causal condition has to be present for the effect to be produced.
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The central issue is that there’s no way to escape ultra-correlationism within a semiotic ontology. Signs– whether they be icons, indexes, or symbols –are only signs for an observer or a subject. Take the observer or subject away and the sign disappears or no longer exists. Money, for example is only money for human beings and not for ants, aardvarks, rats, or cats. This is precisely the value of semiotics, whether of the Saussurean or Peircian variety. In the case Saussure, we can compare different universes of meaning for humans (since at this point is appears that only humans have language) and thus explore different ways of inhabiting the world; while in the Peircian framework we can explore different universes of meaning for different species, comparing the different sorts of meaning relations that structure these universes, e.g., for us the table is used to set my computer, books, meals, etc., whereas for my cats they are perches used to survey territory, hunt, find safety, etc. My cats and I exist in different umwelts in my apartment, while these umwelt converge on one another around objects. Semiotics is a thesis about observers or subjects.
This is an admirable project– indeed it will be the theme of my next book, Monad-Oriented Ontology, a study of Luhmann and Uexkull –but where it’s transformed into an ontology, it becomes a form of skepticism that suspends world and generates all of the problems I outlined my previous post about the erasure of reality. Where you make the correlationist argument that there’s just the relationship between subjects and signs, all of being is put into parentheses (doubt) and there’s no longer anything like a public world. As we watch the republicans bring the economy to the edge of collapse, the semiotic ontologist is forced to say that there’s no reality of the matter as to whether or not debt default will produce economic collapse, because the only “reality” is how subject/communities relate to signs and construct systems of signs. This was the case following 9-11 as well. We’re forced to say that for them Iraq was indeed at the core of 9-11. The semiotic constructivist begins with the well meaning thesis that seems tolerant, treating claims about reality as intolerant (because they privilege one point of view), and instead arguing that we’re all caught within semiospheres structured around the sort of subject that we are and that therefore there can be no reality claims. Seems tolerant right? The problem is that with this pluralism we next end up in a position where we’re forced to concede climate change denialism, points about economy, etc., etc., because, after all, there is no reality just different subjects that relate to world in different signifying systems. We’re left without any means to critique these things because we’ve placed all being in parentheses by suturing it to the subject or observers. What we need is a form of second-order observation that’s able to recognize both that subjects relate to being in different ways or have different semiospheres and that there is nonetheless reality. Paradoxically, the semotic constructivist has become a part of the problem and is an handmaiden for the conservative.
My point in my last post was not that Saussure and Peirce are the same– every first year student knows the difference between semiology (“pan-signifierism” or “pan-linguisticism”) and semiotics (the thesis that there are many different types of signs beyond that of the signifier) –but that with both semiological ontology and semiotic ontology we end up in roughly the same place: a generalized skepticism that arises as a result of transforming everything into a correlationist relation, regardless of whether that correlation is with a non-linguistic sign such as the icon of a predator’s eyes that appears on the butterfly’s wings for the bird or a signifier that differentially structures things of the world into categories for a particular linguistic community of humans. Note that I keep emphasizing ontology. This problem only arises where we reduce being to signs. There’s is, I believe, a benign way of doing semiotics that need not make this ontological claim and that therefore doesn’t fall into this sort of skepticism. Of course, we shouldn’t be surprised that Matt is making this move. Between his defense of intelligent design theory through Whitehead’s account of God– yes, when you claim God selects the eternal objects that function as lures for feeling in he becoming of actual occasions, you’re making a design argument –his claim that all religion embodies a certain sort of truth, his rejection of neuro-materialist accounts of mind, and his defense of teleology, it comes as no surprise that he’d want to blur causal relations and semiotic relations in this way. Moreover, as we’ve continuously seen in the theological turn in recent decades, this sort of skepticism has endlessly been enlisted in a desperate attempt to undermine naturalist accounts of the universe (God of the gaps reasoning). The neo-theologians and obscurantists have taken Kant’s claim that we must limit reason to make room for faith to heart and everywhere deployed skepticism in the name of their mystical and obscurantist projects. Each one of these groups thinks, of course, that they’re the ones that are going to win and provide us with the finally enlightened and benign religion, when in fact they just repeat the post-Reformation grist-mill of Europe where every religious sect of Christianity was pitted against the other in warfare and atrocities against people as they each asserted they had the truth while lacking any means of determining who had the truth because of the generalized skepticism they’d advanced to sustain their religious ontologies. Religion = war.
This is why we need a distinction such as that made by Uexkull between objects and meanings. For Uexkull, a meaning is the function, use, or purpose to which a subject puts an object, and therefore only exists for those subjects. By contrast, an object is something that exists in its own right and has no dependence on a subject. An object, says Uexkull, is what exists “unrelated”. Here he’s not talking about causal, ecological relations, but signifying relations. In this connection he gives the example of a translucent, glass bowl. As an object, all of the properties of the bowl are on equal ontological footing. None is more important than the other and they’re all equally real. When a subject relates to the bowl meaningfully, by contrast, Uexkull contends that the properties become hierarchialized, with some being pulled into the foreground and others pushed into the background, or with some being treated as more important than others. For example, if the meaning I attribute to this bit of glass is “cereal bowl”, it is the shape that is drawn into the foreground, because this is what is relevant to containing the cereal and milk. The transparency of the bowl falls into the background. By contrast, if I’m a creative type and use the bowl as a window, it now its shape now recedes into the background and it’s transparency that becomes important.
Because subjects can relate to objects differently, putting them to different functions and purposes, it’s possible for there to be heterogeneous universes organized around one and the same object. The 1984 film The Gods Must Be Crazy gives a wonderful example of these clashes of semiospheres in terms of a coke bottle:
The key point not to be missed is that these differences are the work of a subject or observer– broadly construed; even corporations can be subjects or observers –and not of the object. The object is what it is regardless of how a subject or observer relates to it. Put differently, semiotic relations don’t affect objects for the very simple reason that semiotic relations are not causal relations. Any heirarchialization of properties that takes place in meaning is the work of a subject, not a feature of the object itself. It’s also noteworthy that this sort of semiotic comparative analysis isn’t even possible if we are unable to contrast semiotic systems with respect to objects that are not of the order of a semiotic system. In order to get off the ground at all, semiotic pluralisms need a “little bit of the real” as that which evades being swallowed up in semiotic relations. This, incidentally, would be one reason that phenomenology doesn’t have a whole lot to teach us about ontology and why we cannot make the inference that because things are withdrawn in a play of presencing and absencing for Dasein, that they are withdrawn in themselves. Talk of withdrawal is only relevant from the standpoint of an observer. It’s not a feature of objects themselves; at least in the phenomenological sense (as I argue, objects do indeed have all sorts of potentials that aren’t actualized at a particular point in time).
October 12, 2013 at 5:02 pm
” There doesn’t have to be a semiotic relation in order for there to be a causal relation.” I absolutely agree, but I don’t understand why this necessarily means that semiotic relations cannot be causal. Does not the presence or absence of causal semiotic relations depend entirely on the identified boundaries of the object in question? That is, why wouldn’t you consider semiotic relations causal within the autopoietic object that is the social system?
Also, does this represent a shift in your thinking from _The Democracy of Objects_? 4.2 seems to clearly define objects and essences in terms of withdrawing.
October 12, 2013 at 5:58 pm
Scott,
I’m not sure I follow your question about withdrawal and The Democracy of Objects. As for causality I argue every semiotic relation involves causality but not the reverse.
October 13, 2013 at 2:58 pm
In Democracy of Objects Chapter 2, you write: “Like Harman’s object-oriented philosophy, onticology argues that objects or substances are withdrawn from or independent of their relations to other substances.” and in Chapter 4: “the very essence of objects consists in simultaneously withdrawing and self-othering”
From passages like these, I read The Democracy of Objects to argue that withdrawing is essential to the object. While I quite like most of the book, I was never quite satisfied with this argument, because it seems to require a reference object, i.e. something from which the object/essence can withdraw.
Now here, in this blog post, you write: ” Talk of withdrawal is only relevant from the standpoint of an observer. It’s not a feature of objects themselves…”
I quite agree, but this seems a move away form the argument in the Democracy of Objects.
So my question is: is this a shift in your thinking about objects or have I misunderstood your intention in one of these places?
October 13, 2013 at 3:24 pm
I’ve increasingly tried to avoid talk of withdrawal because I’ve never advocated Harman’s concept of it. In TDO I developed the concept as referring to potentiality and operational closure. I still advocate both of those things.
October 15, 2013 at 3:51 am
I am entirely in agreement that there is a world beyond the semiotic…. however, I am not sure that causality is as separate from semiosis as you want to maintain. For instance, take a traffic signal. The sign is the red color of the light positioned at a particular time and place. The referent is a social law that says you must stop HERE, NOW. When a driver reads this sign they either stop or accelerate. There are 2 points worth noting. 1)- social laws are (also) real phenomena, independent of what any one thinks of them. 2)- the reading of the sign leads to physical/material actions…this may not be the same kind of causality as that which occurs when chemicals combine to make new compounds, but it is a kind of causality…..My overall point is that the split you seem to want to maintain between semiosis and other kinds of articulation seems to me not quite that clear. Especially when it comes to the human form of being. For instance, if, as you very interestingly posit, Lacan’s formulas of sexuation may be fruitfully applied to the positing of two different kinds of ontology, then what I ask, is “logic” in general for you? Is it a form of semiosis, or does it have some other kind of causal status?
Even if we just stick to Lacan’s own application of logic in these formulas, he is saying that there are two different “mental” realms/states….these are real, ie, beyond what any individual or even culture thinks of them (according to the principle that psychoanalysis has discovered fundamental psychic structures). That is, one literally becomes a “man” or a “woman” according to which logic one lines up with……ie- the adoption of this logic is/causes one to become M or F……. I would be curious to know from your perspective, what is the status of this logic…is it material/causal, or merely semiotic and therefore non-causal?…..
Interestingly, if one looks at logic from the perspective of some of Peirce’s later formalizations (he had many, which unfortuantely no-one studies today) this distinction becomes, at least it seems to me, impossible to keep maintaining, at least in the case of logic as a component of mind……….
October 15, 2013 at 12:27 pm
Hi Christine,
I don’t deny any of this. I argue that there’s an assymetry here. All semiotic relations involve causality, but not all causality involves semiotic relations. What happens when the sun warms a stone is not of the order of a semiotic relation like someone perceiving the stop light. The light, of course, is causally impacting the person’s eyes and whatnot and that is causal and cannot be prevented, but at the level of semiosis, one can nonetheless elect to ignore what the light prescribes as a sign, electing to run the light, etc.
October 15, 2013 at 4:04 pm
Hi Levy,
thank you for the clarification. I agree with this asymmetry.
I am still curious as to how logic functions as a component of the psyche in your overall schema. Is it semiotic or causal, in this assymetrical sense?
As a PS – at least in my understanding Peirce does not hold that all phenomena are semiotic—- Onenesses and twonesses are clearly not, and threenesses include sign-relations, but are not limited to them.
October 15, 2013 at 4:12 pm
Christine,
There are causal elements in that neurological events are taking place, but the sorts of relations in, say, a syllogism aren’t causal in nature. I’ll have to think on what you say here about firstness and secondness.
October 15, 2013 at 11:46 pm
Thanks for your reply…….. I am still inclined to think that when it comes to the way logic functions in unconscious operations, there is more “reality” here than other kinds of sign-proceses including conscious reasoning, because it drives bodies, sometimes to extinction……….Can we specify the exact point where the semiotic ends and the physical begins in psycho-somatic phenomena, such as symptoms, gender constructions, modes of discourse/psychic type, etc…..?
On another note, if logic is the foundations of maths, or even simply a branch of maths…. and its status is purely semiotic, then are you saying that maths is all construction?…..most mathematicians and philosophers of maths would not agree with that……This view also problematizes science, which is now hugely dependent on maths…..or do you argue for a science of the real that doesn’t include maths?
On Peirce’s categories, as I understand them
Onenesses = pure qualities, (eg the red of an all-encompassing red light), which don’t “exist”, though they ARE a part of reality, at least as potentials (or virtuals) (Peirce regards potentiality as a part of reality.)
Twonesses = pure reactivity, limits, or boundary conditions that occur when one phenomenon encounters its limits through some kind of collision with another, (perhaps what others call differences)….in a certain sense, because it involves the quasi-relation of A to not-A, twoness can be seen as the essence of “existence,” so long as you don’t think this is a predicate you can attribute to some other subject-thing. (Can happen to subjects though– eg, the experience of the sublime before the mind returns again to representing and conceptualizing its experience.)
Threenesses = mediated or relational phenomena – relationships of all kind, a car crashing into another and bouncing off it, copulation, planetary motion, crystals growing acids, etc, etc, and signs….. Threenesses happen between existent phenomena, but existence per se is, at least in my understanding of Peirce, only given in the sense of (one’s) limit, or rather, the sense of a limit that doesn’t presuppose a sensing subject……..
On causality, you might like this art work by the Swiss duo Fischli and Weiss
The Way Things Go on Vimeo
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vimeo.com/4581265
October 16, 2013 at 12:39 am
Hi Christine,
I don’t disagree with this at all:
When you get suitably complex systems– generally living beings and social systems –the semiotic and physical are intertwined in all sorts of ways. This is a big part of my interest in developmental systems theory in biology. My original points about the difference between causality and semiotics was in response to remarks Matt made about interactions atoms somehow being semiotic. While I would certainly agree that our discourse about atoms is semiotic, I don’t think that what’s going on with atoms themselves is semiotic for the simple reason that atoms and other particles are not observers. As Peirce says, a sign is something that stands for something in some respect or capacity for someone (human or non-human)”. I just don’t think rocks, atoms, and stars are observers or “someones”, and therefore I don’t think it’s right to describe their interactions as semiotic.
I’m not sure I understand these remarks or what’s at issue here:
Recognizing that what signs represent are not the same as the sign does not undermine the possibility of them being isomorphic to one another. A map is not composed of mountains, roads, dirt, trees, etc., just as mountains, roads, dirt, and trees are not composed of paper and ink. Nontheless, there are structural congruences between the map and the territory. I take it that something like this is what’s at work in the relationship between mathematics and world.
The sort of semiotic constructivism I’m targeting is that that argues for the artificiality of all our representations. What’s at issue here isn’t that signs are being used– clearly both the realist and the anti-realist agree that any knowledge claim will involve representation or signs –but rather that the semiotic constructivist anti-realist is claiming that our signs make reality such that independent of these signs and sign-systems there’s no correlate that exists in its own right. Take Lacan’s famous example of the two doors in “The Instance of the Letter” in Ecrits. Lacan remarks that it’s nothing about the doors themselves that makes one “ladies” and the other “mens”, but rather that the signifier creates this difference.
Now in this example, I think Lacan is right. There’s nothing about the doors themselves, independent of the signifying-system and observers, that makes one a ladies room and one a mens room. It’s a convention that creates this difference. I’m fine with that and defend a limited version of it in this post. The semiotic constructivist anti-realist, however, is saying something quite different. He is making the claim that all of the phenomena of the world are this way, that it is the signs that are creating the beings of the world, and that none of these beings exist in their own right. They are all just arbitrary constructions of signs that could be drawn otherwise. Returning to your example of the use of mathematics by scientists, the claim would be that math doesn’t get at the real of the world, but is just a set of arbitrary constructions that create a reality that could be drawn otherwise under different cultural conditions and whatnot. I tend to use “semiotic” as a synonym for this sort of social constructivism as the lion’s share of work done by semioticians and semiologists over the course of the last century consisted in attempts to demonstrate this sort of skepticism (take Baudrillard’s The Gulf War Did not Happen as a sort of representative example of these premises). Perhaps that’s unfair of me.
October 16, 2013 at 12:47 am
Just to add, I find a lot of your examples of thirdness unrecognizable as instances of thirdness (the car crash, copulation, planetary motion). In my view, we only have thirdness under one of two circumstances: a) where there’s some sort of consciousness mediating a relation between two things (it’s the third that’s connecting two things in thought), or b) when there’s a sign mediating the relationship between two other things. The examples I list are examples of simple physical interactions, though perhaps they can become instances of thirdness. Take the example of copulation. If the couple has organized their copulation around some sorts of narrative, then here we get a real dimension of thirdness at work in their act. It’s that narrative, that symbolic mediation, that’s the thirdness, not the physical act. By contrast, I have a hard time seeing why planetary motion would be an instance of thirdness as the planet is just moving along the curvature of space-time produced by another massive object. I suppose we could say that this is thirdness because it involves three terms (the planet, the massive body that curves space-time, and the space-time) but that seems pretty strained to me and to lose what Peirce is trying to get at with his concept of thirdness: mediation.
October 16, 2013 at 7:05 am
Hi Levy,
I really appreciate your taking time to respond to my questions. I have just recently discovered yr site, which is a marvel of a social service; really, in land that does not see social services as a general good. So forgive me if I seem pedantic……I am unfamiliar with the way various terms are used in your universe…….. so………
i)- yr remarks make me see that I have not sufficiently taken on board the degree to which semiotic contructivism has become a tool to justify wholly political aims in this here cuntry, especially among the political right, though I have always been deeply disturbed by the likes of Baudrillard who argues the same from a supposedly left-wing perspective.
ii)- I always admired Peirce for the way he showed that semiotic relations are not limited to either language or humans. Indeed, having discovered Peirce before Saussure, I was shocked, when I finally encountered Continental modes of thought, to discover what semiotics was reduced to there, despite being impressed by some of their other cl-aims and questions. (And your responses have made me consider again, as it is many years since I actually studied Peirce, what exactly threeness includes…)
iii)- Overall, my own personal beef when it comes to semiosis concerns another Saussurean claim, namely that signifying systems can be reduced to iterations of a single simple principle of (binary) “difference.” This is clearly nonsense. But it has had a massive impact on the theorization of gender, even in, or perhaps mostly with Lacan, who despite his sophisticated use of a wide array of mathematical and logical formalizations, still always refers back to a form of binary-relation (what he calls the phallus) as (pyche)-logically foundational for meaning-structures, and hence for gender constructs… my personal view is that the problem here is less the dominance of semiotics, than the reduction of semiosis, or meaning-filled processes to iterations of a simple binaristic relation……. That is, while I have no problem with realities beyond the semiotic, my personal beef is with the shitty treatment the semiotic itself has received from much contemporary, non-Peirecean modes of thinking….. Semiosis may not be the all, but “it” ( as if it were a One anyway) is much more than the iterations of a single simple principle………..
In my view, in this here neo-post-tempora the sophistication of semiotic processes is as much in need of a defense as are the material/real/causal processes that escape semiotics………but what would I know. Best C.
October 16, 2013 at 8:32 pm
Levi,
It would take a more sophisticated argument to show that semiosis goes all the way down. I’ll grant that this is a far more controversial point. What doesn’t seem all that controversial to me is that once we get to the biological realm, causation and semiosis are inextricably linked. Hoffmeyer’s work here is very convincing, as is Terry Deacon’s perhaps even more scientifically rigorous work in “Incomplete Nature.” I think you probably agree with me here, as your point seems to be that while all semiosis is also causal, not all causality is semiotic.
What I fail to understand is your insistence that a pan-semiotic ontology somehow leads to skepticism. I prefer such an ontology (though I usually think of it in Whiteheadian panexperiential terms, I think he and Peirce are compatible if not ‘nearly’ identical on this issue) precisely because it overcomes skepticism of the sort marshaled by Hume regarding causation. We as living creatures directly experience semiosis, feeling, and agency as types of causal relations. What we have no empirical justification for talking about is the sort of fundamentally non-semiotic, non-experiential physical causality you’re defending. We can theorize about it, sure. But short of adopting a Kantian transcendental perspective, I don’t see how such an abstraction is anything but blind speculation.
October 16, 2013 at 9:14 pm
Matt,
I take it that your remark about our inability to talk about non-semiotic systems is an instance of the skepticism. Ironically it is your position– insofar as you’re making the claim that because our experience is inherently semiotic in nature we can have no access to non-semiotic domains –is the Kantian one here, not mine. We’ve discussed here and elsewhere why I reject pan-experientialism and pan-psychism, so I won’t repeat that. It’s a nice romantic vision of the world but there’s no reason to suppose that rocks and atoms experience, and plenty of reason to conclude that experience is restricted to certain types of material systems (strokes, aenesthesia, brain lesions, etc).
October 17, 2013 at 10:58 pm
I am not yet familiar with how the new realist ontologies actually formulate the world, but from teaching in an art school for many years, it is absolutely clear to me that many contemporary artists are dealing with matter, stuff and things, rather than meanings…..and this, despite the fact that the art world is saturated by discourses that valorize the “concept” over everything……. From this perspective it is great to see that discourses are emerging which may be useful for the discussion of such work…… I have a question- can one really do this kind of work, ie, a realist ontology, purely discursively, that is, separated from at least some kind of material/embodied practice which requires physical/material interactions with the world….that is, a practice the includes actual interactions between the object of the e|e and the other objects in the world?
October 20, 2013 at 11:37 pm
Christine,
I’ve made similar arguments quite often. Drawing heavily on Bourdieu (as well as Bergson to a lesser degree), I’ve tried to argue that both philosophy and literary theory have an ineluctably tendency towards the “discursivization” of everything and idealism precisely because, in their working practice, they tend not to have the sort of encounter with materiality you’re referring to. In addition to this, I think there are also class reasons for this tendency towards idealism pertaining to how distributions of labor are structured in societies where philosophy emerges. This goes back as far as Plato’s mockery of the servant boy in Meno, where handicraft is denigrated as somehow being beneath thought (Ranciere does a nice job showing how this narrative/phenomenon plays out throughout the history of philosophy in The Philosopher and his Poor). Does one have to have an practice of the material in order to think materiality? I’m not sure. While I’d certainly agree that it helps, I also think that those who have experienced poverty, homelessness, bodily illnesses, and so on might be particularly well positioned for recognizing the material. At any rate, I love what you have to say here about artists working with matter moreso than meaning!
October 21, 2013 at 12:06 am
Hi Levy,
Yes, I too believe that the dominance of meaning over matter is also a class and gender issue. In the contemporary art world, which is organized quite differently than the premodern distribution of artifactural modes, items based on “concepts,” or even just the claim to such a basis, are much valorized over practices that seem to focus on the craft of a material method. For instance, when Mike Kelley, a very famous contemporary artist who recently died, used second hand knitted and woollen toys and blankets (in the 80s) to construct “abject” textile simulations of abstract paintings and sculptures, this was hailed as the work of a genius (not just by art critics, but by the market, where he quickly became perceived as blue chip stock). However, when any woman uses these mediums to produce work, even ones that have clear references to art history and its exclusions, as well as to other important worldly issues, it is written off as (women’s) craft and accorded no status at all………..On another note, If you want to see a lovely work about meaningless objects in causal chains, do look at the work I referenced before “The Way Things Go,” by the Swiss duo Fischli and Weiss. It is free on Youtube, and I think you will be smitten. It is a pure joy…..and seems to illustrate many of the ideas of OOO, avant la lettre. I use the term Matterful to refer to the value of such works, of which there are many…..In fact, I think matterfullness is a highly prized value among makers, if not among critics……… The current distribution of values, and the disjunct between the values of those whose main practices are discursive and those whose are not, is, I believe a big problem in the arts today……